Off The Shelf

Episode 92 – Charles Paisley (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Sat, 28 Jun 2025 20:07:43 +0000

This is the conclusion of our interview with Charles Paisley. Charles was born into the message and grew up in raised in Faith Assembly Church in Clarksville, Indiana where Junior Jackson was the pastor. Charles became assistant pastor of the church in the years after Raymond Jackson died. Charles is currently a minister at The …

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Episode 91 – Charles Paisley (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 23 Feb 2025 02:22:24 +0000

Charles Paisley was born into the message and grew up in raised in Faith Assembly Church in Clarksville, Indiana where Junior Jackson was the pastor. Charles became assistant pastor of the church in the years after Raymond Jackson died. Charles is currently a minister at The Gospel Church of Jeffersonville, Indiana, where he is working …

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Episode 90 – Charles Paisley (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 03:28:52 +0000

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Episode 89 – Charles Paisley – Another minister leaves the message

Off The Shelf — Tue, 06 Sep 2022 22:24:49 +0000

Charles Paisley was born into the message and was raised in Faith Assembly Church in Clarksville, Indiana where Junior Jackson was the pastor. Charles became assistant pastor of the church in the years after Raymond Jackson died. He has traveled international and has visited dozens of message Churches. His family has been in the message …

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Episode 88 – The Serpent’s Tail (Part 5)

Off The Shelf — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 20:26:36 +0000

This is the conclusion of our interview with Deborah Daulton Thibodeau. Her story is chronicled in “The Serpent’s Tail”, which Deb has authored. The book is published by Adelaide books is available directly from the publisher or from Amazon. Why were Ed Daulton’s last words : “Brother Branham, lied to me. I have been betrayed!” …

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Episode 87 – The Serpent’s Tail (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 30 May 2022 22:13:26 +0000

Rod continues his interview with Deborah Daulton Thibodeau in this episode. Her story is chronicled in “The Serpent’s Tail”, which Deb has authored. The book is published by Adelaide books is available directly from the publisher or from Amazon. The transcript of our podcast is available to download:

Episode 86 – The Serpent’s Tail (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 02 May 2022 00:24:50 +0000

In Part 3, Rod continues his interview with Deborah Daulton Thibodeau. Her story is chronicled in “The Serpent’s Tail”, which Deb has authored. The book is published by Adelaide books is available directly from the publisher or from Amazon. The transcript of our podcast is available to download:

Episode 85 – The Serpent’s Tail (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:14:32 +0000

In this episode, Rod continues his interview with Deborah Daulton Thibodeau. Her story is chronicled in “The Serpent’s Tail”, which Deb has authored. The book is published by Adelaide books is available directly from the publisher or from Amazon. The transcript of our podcast is available to download:

Episode 84 – The Serpent’s Tail – Abuse in the Park

Off The Shelf — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 00:15:06 +0000

In this episode, Rod interviews Deborah Daulton Thibodeau, the youngest daughter of Ed Daulton. Her story is chronicled in “The Serpent’s Tail”, which Deb has authored. The book is published by Adelaide books and is available on Amazon and directly from Adelaide Books. In the summer of 1962, about sixty members of several large extended …

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Episode 83 – The Downfall of the Message in Brazil? (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:05:57 +0000

This is part 2 of our interview with Arthur Antunes, the author of “The Secret of the Seventh Angel: The Downfall of Branhamism” which was published in July 2021 in Brazil. Arthur Antunes is a pseudonym or pen name and the true identity of the author remains a secret. For the purpose of this interview …

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Episode 82 – What is happening to the Message in Brazil?

Off The Shelf — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:34:09 +0000

In this episode, Rod interviews Arthur Antunes, the author of “The Secret of the Seventh Angel: The Downfall of Branhamism” which was published in July 2021 in Brazil. Arthur Antunes is a pseudonym or pen name and the true identity of the author remains a secret. For the purpose of this interview the voice of …

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Episode 81 – Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Sat, 27 Nov 2021 19:09:29 +0000

Rod, Emily and Tim conclude their discussion with former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. Link to the Testimony of James Manuel The following is a transcript of the podcast:

Episode 80 – Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:00:00 +0000

Rod, Emily and Tim continue their discussion with former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. The following is a transcript of the podcast:

Episode 79 – Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 01:42:43 +0000

Rod, Emily and Tim interview former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. This interview continues James’ story from where we left off in Episode 52. External links: BelieveTheSign article – Message pastor Vin Dayal charged with money laundering BelieveTheSign article – The Testimony …

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Episode 78 – Pastor Jeff Jenkins – 7 Years Later (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:00:00 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio for almost 33 and a half years. In the conclusion of our interview, we talk about whether what his advice is to those that have left the message and what the proper approach should be to religion and faith based on his experience since …

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Episode 77 – Pastor Jeff Jenkins – 7 Years Later (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 02:00:00 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio for almost 33 and a half years. In part 3 of our interview, we talk about whether he has had any contact with other message ministers since he left the message and how his ministry has developed over the past 7 years. Links– Our …

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Episode 76 – Pastor Jeff Jenkins – 7 Years Later (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 20:44:47 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio for almost 33 and a half years. In part 2 of our interview, we talk about what has surprised him most since he left the message. Links – Our first interview with Pastor Jeff – Jeff Jenkins discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud The following …

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Episode 75 – Pastor Jeff Jenkins – Seven Years Later (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 21 May 2021 11:59:00 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio for almost 33 and a half years. Rod Bergen and Tim Kraus talk to Jeff about: – What have been the biggest changes in his thinking since he left the message 7 years ago? – What has surprised him most since he left the …

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Episode 74 – Talks with Tim – Donny Reagan Gets Excited

Off The Shelf — Fri, 14 May 2021 10:00:00 +0000

This is the first in a new series that we are going to be doing called Talks with Tim. Tim Kraus, as our regular listeners know, is one of the co-hosts on Off The Shelf. If you would like some background on Tim, please listen to episode 61 where we talk to Tim at length …

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Episode 73 – The 2020 Debate (Part 7)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 07 May 2021 04:00:00 +0000

This is the conclusion of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Jax Cox and Tim Kraus act as moderators. The discussion focused around this agreed issue: William Branham is considered by his followers to be a prophet and, specifically, the messenger to the church of …

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Episode 72 – The 2020 Debate (Part 6)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 04:58:00 +0000

This is part 6 of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Jax Cox and Tim Kraus act as moderators. In this portion of our discussion, we deal with: If William Branham’s teaching is correct, why do message followers display so little love for those who …

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Episode 71 – The 2020 Debate (Part 5)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 06:00:00 +0000

This is part 5 of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Jax Cox and Tim Kraus act as moderators. Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with: Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with the following: If William Branham’s teaching …

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Episode 70 – The 2020 Debate (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:00:00 +0000

This is part 4 of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Jax Cox and Tim Kraus act as moderators. Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with: Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with Does the Holy Spirit lead a …

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Episode 69 – The 2020 Debate (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 03:44:34 +0000

This is part 3 of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with: How do we respond to WMB’s failed visions given the clear requirements of Deuteronomy 18:20 to 22? How is this affected by cognitive bias? …

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Episode 68 – The 2020 Debate (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:31:00 +0000

This is part 2 of our discussion with message pastor Jesse Smith regarding the status of William Branham as a prophet. Specifically, in this portion of our discussion, we deal with the King James Version Only-ism, women wearing pants and whether it is OK to condemn people who are not Christians. Jay Cox and Tim …

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Episode 67 – The 2020 Debate (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:58:47 +0000

On September 12, 2020, the first-ever English language debate was held between a message pastor (Jesse Smith of Akron, OH) and an ex-message Christian (Rod Bergen from the Off The Shelf podcast and the BelieveTheSign website). The discussion was moderated by C. Jay Cox and Tim Kraus. The agreed question for discussion: William Branham is …

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Episode 66 – The Seven Thunders – An Interview with Eleisha Moreno (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 01:27:34 +0000

This is the conclusion of the interview with Eleisha Moreno, a former follower of Joseph Coleman, who initiated the Seven Thunders Inspiration, a sub-cult within the “Message” (which is how followers of William Branham refer to themselves). Book – When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger Music – Losing My Religion by Lauren Daigle from the …

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Episode 65 – The Seven Thunders – An Interview with Eleisha Moreno (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:41:33 +0000

In this episode, Emily, Rod, and Tim interview Eleisha Moreno, a former follower of Joseph Coleman, who initiated the Seven Thunders Inspiration, a sub-cult within the “Message” (which is how followers of William Branham refer to themselves). Rod starts the podcast with an editorial comment on a topic that is getting a lot of play …

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Episode 64 – The Seven Thunders – An Interview with Eleisha Moreno (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:51:52 +0000

In this episode, Emily, Rod, and Tim interview Eleisha Moreno, a former follower of Joseph Coleman, who initiated the Seven Thunders Inspiration, a sub-cult within the “Message” (which is how followers of William Branham refer to themselves). Joseph Coleman preached his first sermon in Eleisha’s grandparents’ home in the early 1960’s, so Eleisha’s knowledge of …

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Episode 63 – Introducing Your New Co-Hosts (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:00:00 +0000

This episode concludes the discussion with our new co-hosts. Rod Bergen talks to Emily Arndt and Tim Kraus about a number of important issues relating to the message. External links – Article on Pastor Vinworth Dayal from Trinidad Music – God Still Loves Me by Andrae Crouch – Available on Apple Music

Episode 62 – Introducing your new co-hosts (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 02:17:41 +0000

This episode continues the introduction of our new co-hosts. Rod Bergen talks to Emily Arndt and Tim Kraus about a number of important issues relating to the message. Music – The Storm Still Rages by Rhonda Vincent – Available on Apple Music

Episode 61 – Season 2 Kick-Off – Introducing Your New Co-Hosts

Off The Shelf — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:58:46 +0000

Season 2 (Episode 61) of Off The Shelf starts with an introduction to our new co-hosts. Rod Bergen talks to Emily Arndt (see episode 16) about what has happened to her over the last couple of years and Tim Kraus tells of how he came to the message and why he left. Music – Call …

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Episode 60 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Fri, 08 May 2020 03:00:00 +0000

Listen to Jay Cox, a message follower, in a conversation with Rod Bergen, a former message believer. In this conclusion of their interview,, they discuss why someone should follow William Branham and the status is of those who do not follow William Branham. Other topics referred to in the interview: Dallas Willard on Post-modern …

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Episode 59 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Sat, 02 May 2020 22:49:20 +0000

With apologies for an almost 2 year hiatus, Rod continues his conversation with Jay Cox, a follower of William Branham. In part 3, they discuss whether William Branham made any real prophecies. Their discussion includes (click on the underlined links to read further): 1. Was William Branham credible? 2. The mystery of the Branham Tabernacle …

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Episode 58 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 00:00:22 +0000

Rod continues his conversation with Jay Cox, a follower of William Branham. In this second part, they discuss whether William Branham made any real prophecies. Their discussion includes: What is the Biblical Test for a Prophet? The Seven Visions of 1933 Did President Roosevelt start World War 2? Video – The prophecy of the egg-shaped …

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Episode 57 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 00:00:19 +0000

Listen to Jay Cox, a message follower, in a conversation with Rod Bergen, a former message believer. In this first part, they discuss what it means to be a follower of William Branham; where Jay places himself in the world of the message and the types of prophecies that William Branham made. External links: The …

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Episode 56 – An interview with Cindy and Anna Bergen (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:19:17 +0000

Rod concludes the interview with his wife, Cindy and their daughter, Anna, regarding their experiences in the message and why they left. Go to Part 1 Music – Father and Daughter by Paul Simon from the album The Essential Paul Simon (2007) – Available on iTunes

Episode 55 – An interview with Cindy and Anna Bergen (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 21 May 2018 00:36:51 +0000

In this installment of Off The Shelf, Rod interviews his wife, Cindy and his daughter, Anna, about their experiences in the message. External links: BelieveTheSign article – The Municipal Bridge Vision Searching For Vindication website Music – You Are So Beautiful by Joe Cocker from the album 20th Century Masters – The Millennium Collection: The Best …

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Episode 54 – An Interview with Dr. Gabriel Pollen (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 00:00:18 +0000

This is the conclusion of the interview with former message follower Dr. Gabriel Pollen of Zambia. Dr. Pollen recently received a Ph.D. in Economics from the University of London. Dr. Pollen was raised in the message but recently came to grips with the problems in William Branham’s ministry. This is his story. Go to Part …

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Episode 53 – An Interview with Dr. Gabriel Pollen (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 19 Mar 2018 00:00:57 +0000

Rod interviews former message follower Dr. Gabriel Pollen of Zambia. Dr. Pollen recently received a Ph.D. in Economics from the University of London. Dr. Pollen was raised in the message but recently came to grips with the problems in William Branham’s ministry. This is his story. Music – Songs That Answer Questions by Gaither Vocal …

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Episode 52 – An interview with Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 00:00:34 +0000

Rod continues his interview with former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. Since leaving the message, James has embarked on a mission to expose the lies, deception, fraud and corruption in the message wherever and whenever he gets an opportunity. He has challenged …

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Episode 51 – An interview with Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:00:04 +0000

Rod continues his interview with former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. He believed it, he lived it and he preached it. The message was all his wife and children knew and it was all he knew. James has stated that he is …

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Episode 50 – An interview with Pastor James Manuel of South Africa (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 00:00:01 +0000

Rod interviews former message pastor James Manuel of Cape Town, South Africa. James was in the message for almost 40 years. He believed it, he lived it and he preached it. The message was all his wife and children knew and it was all he knew. Since leaving the message, James has embarked on a …

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Episode 49 – A Biblical view of the Seven Church Ages – An Interview with Andrew Loza (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 29 Jan 2018 00:00:04 +0000

Rod and Andrew Loza, a former police detective, continue their discussion of the doctrine of the seven church ages. External links: BelieveTheSign article on the Seven Church Age doctrine BelieveTheSign article on whether the message is a cult BelieveTheSign article on Christians that were required to believe Satanic doctrine Music – Wishful Thinking by MercyMe …

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Episode 48 – A Biblical view of the Seven Church Ages – An Interview with Andrew Loza (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:00:34 +0000

Rod and one of our listeners, Andrew Loza, a former police detective, discuss growing up in the message and what led him to leave the message. They also begin a discussion of the doctrine of the seven church ages. Sermon quotes played in this podcast: William Branham, The Invisible Union Of The Bride Of Christ, …

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Episode 47 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 5)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:00:08 +0000

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham. In this episode, Pastor Gwena’s defense of William Branham is challenged on the basis that: All of William Branham’s prophecies are “after the fact” and even some of those he gets wrong. William Branham made no valid “before the fact” prophecies on any of …

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Episode 46 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 00:00:06 +0000

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham. They examine what cognitive dissonance is and discuss Pastor Gwena’s claim that he is not the one suffering from cognitive dissonance, rather it is John and Rod that are the ones that are experiencing cognitive dissonance. But is this really the case? External Links: …

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Episode 45 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 02:36:49 +0000

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham. Pastor Gwena is from Waltham Abbey (North London), UK where he is the pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church. Joining Rod is John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana. …

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Episode 44 – Christmas in the message

Off The Shelf — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 04:32:55 +0000

Rod and his daughter, Anna, share stories from our listeners about their experiences with celebrating (or not celebrating) Christmas in the message. Rod ends the podcast with a description of what Christmas is really all about. External links Article on Christianity and the Celebration of Christmas Article on William Branham and the Birth of Jesus …

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Episode 43 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:00:29 +0000

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham. Specifically, they examine a number of significant problems with William Branham such as the lack of newspaper articles which William Branham said appeared across the US and Canada; his lies about travelling around the world seven times; his visit to Pigalle; the problems with …

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Episode 42 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:00:17 +0000

In this episode, Rod responds to a defense of William Branham that was presented by Wisper Gwena, pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church, Waltham Abbey (North London), UK. Rod is joined by John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana. …

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Episode 41 – Recovering from the message

Off The Shelf — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 00:00:05 +0000

Several weeks ago, we received an email from a listener. Here is an excerpt from that email: In a nutshell, I feel like I am in the very beginning stages of “Message Recovery”… terrified of attending “any church”, still struggling with fear of “damnation” and “total confusion” of who/what God is vs. the Indoctrination of …

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Episode 40 – Interview with Paul & Kathy Jenkins (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 00:00:27 +0000

This is part 2 of the interview with former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins. Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio. Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several …

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Episode 39 – Interview with Paul & Kathy Jenkins (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 00:00:31 +0000

In this episode, Rod talks to former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins. Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio. Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several times on …

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Episode 38 – Interview with John Collins (Part 4)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 00:00:32 +0000

This is the conclusion of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: William Branham and the Ku Klux Klan (the KKK) William Branham and Roy Davis William Branham and Jim Jones The Latter Rain Movement The Manifest Sons of God External Links: …

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Episode 37 – Interview with John Collins (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 00:00:59 +0000

This is part 3 of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: His views on the message street preachers in London, Ontario – Steve Ravbar and Matthew Carapella. Were William Branham’s derogatory statements only against women that were not his followers? Would …

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Episode 36 – Interview with John Collins (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 00:00:10 +0000

This is part 2 of the interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website. In this episode, John talks about, among other things: Are people who leave the message bitter or angry towards people in the message? What led him to start seekyethetruth.com in early 2012. The new direction in his blog …

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Episode 35 – Interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website

Off The Shelf — Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:00:38 +0000

In this episode, Rod talks to John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana. John is also the author of two books, “Stone Mountain to Dallas: The Untold Story of Roy Elonza Davis” and “Jim Jones – The Malachi 4 …

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Episode 34 – Abdu Murray – A former Muslim discusses the doctrine of the Trinity (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:00:40 +0000

In this episode, Rod concludes his interview with well known apologist and author, Abdu Murray. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian …

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Episode 33 – Abdu Murray – A former Muslim discusses the doctrine of the Trinity (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:00:12 +0000

In this episode, Rod continues with part 2 of his interview with h well known apologist and author, Abdu Murray. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu …

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Episode 32 – Abdu Murray – A former Muslim talks about the doctrine of the Trinity (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 00:00:37 +0000

In this episode of Off The Shelf, Rod talks to Abdu Murray, a well known apologist and the author of two books, including his latest, Grand Central Question: Answering the Critical Concerns of the Major Worldviews. For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year …

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Episode 31 – Sylvia Perkins – Why I left the message (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:00:19 +0000

Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing and why Sylvia ultimately had to leave the message. We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

Episode 30 – Sylvia Perkins – My Years in the Message (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:00:40 +0000

Sylvia Perkins was at the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained. She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess.

Episode 29 – Sylvia Perkins – Growing up in Branham Tabernacle (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:00:36 +0000

Sylvia Perkins attended Branham Tabernacle as a child. She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children. She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death. She was at the …

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Episode 28 – Were some Christians required to believe Satanic doctrine to be saved?

Off The Shelf — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 20:00:18 +0000

William Branham clearly taught that the doctrine of the Trinity, a doctrine that has been held by the church for most of the past 2,000 years, was satanic. He stated it was of the devil and that people that believed it were lost.

Episode 27 – William Branham’s visit to the graves of Buddha, Confucius and Muhhamad

Off The Shelf — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 00:00:27 +0000

William Branham stated on several occasions that he had visited the graves of Muhammad, Buddha, and Confucius. But did he? We looked at the issue to determine whether William Branham actually visited these famous graves. I think you will be surprised at what we found.

Episode 26 – Did William Branham travel around the world seven times?

Off The Shelf — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:00:51 +0000

William Branham stated on numerous occasions that he had traveled around the world seven times. We had a question from a listener asking if we had ever checked whether this was the case. So we did some research to determine whether William Branham actually went around the world seven times. I think you will be …

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Episode 25 – The prophet and the eagle

Off The Shelf — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:00:01 +0000

William Branham stated many times that the Bible compared God’s prophets to eagles. However, he never provided one scriptural example of where this was the case. So we thought we would check out whether what he said was actually based in the Bible. I think you will be surprised at what we found… well, maybe …

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Episode 24 – The significance of a seven-lettered name

Off The Shelf — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 00:00:30 +0000

Frank Boreham had a seven-lettered last name just like William Branham. Was that significant? Why didn't William Branham know about him? Find out why this is important.

Episode 23 – To Message Followers: God commands you to answer the questions of skeptics!

Off The Shelf — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:00:56 +0000

As a result of a number of scriptures which we present, we find it strange that message ministers refuse to address our questions. So we again extend an invitation to any reputable minister to come on our podcast and try to answer some of our questions. Do we have any takers

Episode 22 – Did William Branham have any real prophecies??

Off The Shelf — Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:00:25 +0000

We have been unable to find a single occurrence where we have a clear prophecy recorded on tape that was later clearly fulfilled. This is a test for anyone that is a follower of the message of William Branham. Did William Branham make any REAL "before the fact" prophecies in any of his tapes?

Episode 21 – Jesus + Branham = ?

Off The Shelf — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:00:30 +0000

What do you get when you add William Branham to Jesus? Is it the Gospel that Paul preached? Or is it something different? William Branham stated that "the Word in the days of the apostles does not work in this day." Is that what Paul preached?

Episode 20 – Two Ding Dongs and a Microphone (Summer Shorts)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:00:28 +0000

One of our listeners informed us of a recent comment made by the pastor of a message church in Beaufort, South Carolina. This pastor labeled those who dared challenge William Branham as "ding dongs". But was it the case that no one dared challenge William Braham when he was alive? Find out what actually happened to those who challenged William Branham.

Episode 19 – William Branham in Summer Shorts

Off The Shelf — Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:00:25 +0000

In this podcast, we look at William Branham's condemnation of men wearing shorts and his apparent hypocrisy in wearing shorts himself.

Episode 18 – Meet Emily Arndt, missionary to Uganda (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 00:01:16 +0000

Emily Arndt grew up in the message in Wisconsin but never heard the good news of Jesus Christ until she was 21 years of age. Emily became a veterinary technician and is currently living and serving with the Christian Veterinary Mission in Kampala, Uganda, East Africa. She is Assistant Clinician Facilitator in the surgical department of …

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Episode 17 – Meet Emily Arndt, missionary to Uganda (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:01:59 +0000

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Episode 16 – Meet Emily Arndt, missionary to Uganda (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:01:51 +0000

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Episode 15 – The 1963 Arizona Cloud with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 04:26:57 +0000

Jeff Jenkins, pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 35 years, discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud with host, Rod Bergen in part 3 of their interview. Some of the questions they discuss include: Have those the criticize our cloud research actually looked at it? What does numerology have to do the …

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Episode 14 – The 1963 Arizona Cloud with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 29 May 2017 04:31:49 +0000

Jeff Jenkins, pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 35 years, discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud with host, Rod Bergen. Some of the questions which they discuss include: The Cause of the Cloud – Was it the aftermath of a constellation of angels visiting the earth or was there a natural explanation? …

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Episode 13 – The 1963 Arizona Cloud with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Sun, 21 May 2017 00:01:23 +0000

Jeff Jenkins, pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 35 years, discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud with host, Rod Bergen. Some of the questions which they discuss include: The Prophecy of the Cloud – Did William Branham prophesy the cloud in advance of it appearing? The Timing of the Cloud – Why …

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Episode 12 – An interview with Careyann M. (part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 15 May 2017 00:01:27 +0000

In this episode, Careyann continues to discuss some of the strange things she experienced in the Returned Ministry sub-cult within the message, along with the following: The strange circumstances that began her journey out of the message; Her experience with finding searchingforvindication.com’s timeline; The implications of Deut 18:20-22 Her research into whether the message was …

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Episode 11 – An interview with Careyann M.

Off The Shelf — Mon, 08 May 2017 00:01:31 +0000

Careyann M. was raised in the message and has seen more than her share of the bizarre things that the message has to offer. In this episode, Careyann discusses her time in the message and some of the strange things she experienced. To be fair, not all people in the message experience the things that Careyann …

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Episode 10 – An interview with James Rozak (Part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 01 May 2017 00:01:29 +0000

Join Rod and Bryan in part 3 of their interview with James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy website. James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew. But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision with his wife …

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Episode 9 – An interview with James Rozak (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 24 Apr 2017 02:00:22 +0000

Rod and Bryan continue their discussion with James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy website, in part 2 of their interview James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew. But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision …

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Episode 8 – An interview with James Rozak, the author of Morning Mercy

Off The Shelf — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 02:00:00 +0000

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy website. James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew. But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision with his wife to …

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Episode 7 – An interview with the authors of Searching For Vindication (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:00:16 +0000

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview Joe and Anna Barone, the authors of the Searching For Vindication website. In this the second part of the interview, Joe and Anna Barone discuss: Overcoming the rejection and fear of the criticism of the research they undertook The reasons for their initial anonymity and their eventually making their …

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Episode 6 – An interview with the authors of Searching For Vindication (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 03 Apr 2017 02:00:29 +0000

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview Joe and Anna Barone, the authors of the Searching For Vindication website. In Part 1 of this 2 part interview, Joe and Anna Barone discuss: Their reaction to: the article that BelieveTheSign published on the municipal bridge vision. Voice of God’s 2012 “Catch The Vision” publication relating to …

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Episode 5 – An Interview with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:03:35 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 34 years. Pastor Jeff was a committed and fervent follower of William Branham but left the message and his church several years ago. This is part 2 of Rod Bergen’s interview with Pastor Jeff as they discuss how he came to …

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Episode 4 – An interview with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:00:40 +0000

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 34 years. Pastor Jeff was a committed and fervent follower of William Branham but left the message and his church several years ago. Rod Bergen interviews Pastor Jeff to discuss his background and how he came to his monumental decision to …

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Episode 3 – Getting to know your hosts (part 3)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:00:11 +0000

Rod Bergen interviews co-host Bryan Lynch about his background, how he came into the message and what led him to leave the message after spending almost 20 years following William Branham. Music – Off The Shelf by The Brothers Bright from A Song Treasury (2012) – View More by This Artist

Episode 2 – Getting to know your hosts (Part 2)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 02:01:57 +0000

This is the second part of a 3 part series focused on introducing the co-hosts of the Off The Shelf podcast. In this episode, Bryan Lynch interviews Rod Bergen about how he came into the message; what led him to leave the message after spending almost 40 years following William Branham; and his current perspective on …

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Episode 1 – Getting to know your hosts (Part 1)

Off The Shelf — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 02:55:14 +0000

The first three episodes of the Off The Shelf podcast will be focused on introducing co-hosts Rod Bergen and Bryan Lynch. Hosts Bryan Lynch and Rod Bergen talk about: Why are we doing a podcast? Where did the name “Off The Shelf” come from? Then, Bryan interviews Rod about how he came into the message and …

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