Episode 47 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 5)

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham.  In this episode, Pastor Gwena’s defense of William Branham is challenged on the basis that:

  • All of William Branham’s prophecies are “after the fact” and even some of those he gets wrong.
  • William Branham made no valid “before the fact” prophecies on any of his publicly recorded sermons.

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Pastor Gwena is from Waltham Abbey (North London), UK where he is the pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church.  Joining Rod is John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.

Music – Doctor my eyes from the album, Jackson Browne, by Jackson Browne – available on iTunes

Episode 46 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 4)

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham.  They examine what cognitive dissonance is and discuss Pastor Gwena’s claim that he is not the one suffering from cognitive dissonance, rather it is John and Rod that are the ones that are experiencing cognitive dissonance.  But is this really the case?

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Pastor Gwena is from Waltham Abbey (North London), UK where he is the pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church.  Joining Rod is John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.

Music – Cognitive Dissonance by Brad Wray – listen to the entire song on YouTube.

Episode 45 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 3)

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham.  Pastor Gwena is from Waltham Abbey (North London), UK where he is the pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church.  Joining Rod is John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.

External Links:

Music – The Word of God from the album, Choose Life, by Big Tent Revival – available from Amazon

Episode 44 – Christmas in the message

Rod and his daughter, Anna, share stories from our listeners about their experiences with celebrating (or not celebrating) Christmas in the message.  Rod ends the podcast with a description of what Christmas is really all about.

External links

Music – Hark! The Herald Angels Sing from Christmas Cookies (2005) by The Oak Ridge Boys – available on iTunes

Episode 43 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 2)

Rod & John continue to examine Wisper Gwena’s defence of William Branham.  Specifically, they examine a number of significant problems with William Branham such as the lack of newspaper articles which William Branham said appeared across the US and Canada; his lies about travelling around the world seven times; his visit to Pigalle; the problems with Congressman Upshaw; William Branham’s first commission which he stopped talking about after he changed his story; and the failed healing of Donny Morton.  Detailed links are below.

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Pastor Gwena is from Waltham Abbey (North London), UK where he is the pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church.  Joining Rod is John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.

Music – Jesus is the Answer by Andraé Crouch from The Definitive Greatest Hits  (2005) – available from iTunes

Episode 42 – How to defend William Branham… poorly (Part 1)

In this episode, Rod  responds to a defense of William Branham that was presented by Wisper Gwena, pastor of Spoken Word Ministry church, Waltham Abbey (North London), UK.  Rod is joined by John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.  John is also the author of two books, “Stone Mountain to Dallas: The Untold Story of Roy Elonza Davis” and “Jim Jones – The Malachi 4 Elijah Prophecy”.

In this episode, Rod & John discuss the following:

  • Personal accusations made by Pastor Gwena.
  • Is there a difference between facts and the truth?
  • Is the research contained on the Seek The Truth and Believe The Sign websites error-free?

External Links:

Music – The Cold Hard Facts by The Del McCoury Band from The Cold Hard Facts (1996) – available from iTunes

Episode 41 – Recovering from the message

Several weeks ago, we received an email from a listener.  Here is an excerpt from that email:

In a nutshell, I feel like I am in the very beginning stages of “Message Recovery”… terrified of attending “any church”, still struggling with fear of “damnation” and “total confusion” of who/what God is vs. the Indoctrination of the Message.

Your Podcasts were my turning point….thank you so much for putting them out there…. 

Thank you, I wait every Sunday for a new one to be released….they are my Lifeline right now. Struggling with severe depression, but the Podcasts have helped immensely.

I am looking forward to the subject of “Message Recovery, you have decided to leave….now what….where do we go…what do we do…where in society and the non-message church world do we fit in?”

I FEEL LIKE AN ALIEN, I never felt comfortable and like I measured up or fit in at the Message Church or among the people….and felt like a person caught in between worlds outside…always awkwardly never finding the place for me…and always critical, filtering other churches against Message standards….so I just want to sit down in the middle of the street a cry….I am a lost sheep.

One thing I discovered….when you push WMB out of the way….it is startling that behind him the entire time there was Christ on the Cross…!! WMB was impeding and interfering with my ability to function or having a relationship with Christ. I was too busy trying to meet the Message Criteria, and give reverence to the Message and the Prophet….which seemed to totally exclude the Simplicity of God’s Love and the Salvation Christ alone offers!

We have reached out to a number of people that have left the message and asked them for their thoughts on the question posed by our listener – “You have decided to leave….now what….where do we go…what do we do…where in society and the non-message church world do we fit in?”

This podcast seeks to answer our listener’s question.

External Links:

Music – One Day by Matt Redman from Glory song (2017) – available from iTunes.

Episode 40 – Interview with Paul & Kathy Jenkins (Part 2)

This is part 2 of the interview with former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins.  Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio.  Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several times on Off The Shelf.

External Links:

Music – Freedom by Josh Garrels from The House of Worship Project (2012) – available from Bandcamp.

Episode 39 – Interview with Paul & Kathy Jenkins

In this episode, Rod talks to former message followers, Paul & Kathy Jenkins.  Paul’s father, Lonnie Jenkins, was a well known teacher in the message and Paul was also the worship leader for many years at Believers Christian Fellowship in Lima, Ohio.  Paul is the brother of Jeff Jenkins, who we have interviewed several times on Off The Shelf.

External Links:

Music – Freedom by Josh Garrels from The House of Worship Project (2012) – available from Bandcamp.

Episode 38 – Interview with John Collins (Part 4)

This is the conclusion of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website.

In this episode, John talks about, among other things:

  • William Branham and the Ku Klux Klan (the KKK)
  • William Branham and Roy Davis
  • William Branham and Jim Jones
  • The Latter Rain Movement
  • The Manifest Sons of God

External Links:

Music – Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself by The Louvin Brothers from Preach The Gospel (2015) – available from iTunes

Episode 37 – Interview with John Collins (Part 3)

This is part 3 of our interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website.

In this episode, John talks about, among other things:

  • His views on the message street preachers in London, Ontario – Steve Ravbar and Matthew Carapella.
  • Were William Branham’s derogatory statements only against women that were not his followers?
  • Would William Branham condone the type of things that Matthew Carapella and Steve Ravbar are saying and doing?

External Links:

Music – Try a Little Kindness by The Oak Ridge Boys from Try a Little Kindness (1974) – available from Amazon

Episode 36 – Interview with John Collins (Part 2)

This is part 2 of the interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website.

In this episode, John talks about, among other things:

  • Are people who leave the message bitter or angry towards people in the message?
  • What led him to start seekyethetruth.com in early 2012.  
  • The new direction in his blog

External Links:

Music – New Pharisees by Charlie Daniels from Steel Witness (1996) – available from iTunes

Episode 35 – Interview with John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website

In this episode, Rod talks to John Collins, author of the Seek The Truth website and grandson of Willard Collins, the former pastor of Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana.  John is also the author of two books, “Stone Mountain to Dallas: The Untold Story of Roy Elonza Davis” and “Jim Jones – The Malachi 4 Elijah Prophecy”.

In this episode, John talks about, among other things:

  • Growing up in the message (followers of William Branham refer to themselves as being “in the message”).
  • How is being born into the message different from those who came into the message later in life?
  • Is the message a cult?
  • His recent interview on CBC Radio regarding the message street preachers in London, Ontario;
  • Are people in the “Message” isolated? 
  • The sub-cults of the message.

External Links:

Music – Questions by Matt Redman from Glory Song (2017) – available from Amazon

Episode 34 – Abdu Murray (part 3) – A former Muslim discusses the doctrine of the Trinity

In this episode, Rod concludes his interview with Abdu Murray, North American Director of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries.

For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart.

In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss the doctrine of the Trinity including:

  • whether analogies are useful in understanding the Trinity:
  • baptism in the name of Jesus Christ;
  • whether a person is required to believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be considered a Christian; and
  • what it means to be a true follower of Jesus Christ.

External Links:

Music – Praise the Father, Praise the Son by Chris Tomin (2008) – available from Amazon

Episode 33 – Abdu Murray (part 2) – A former Muslim discusses the doctrine of the Trinity

In this episode, Rod continues with part 2 of his interview with Abdu Murray, North American Director with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries.

For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart.

In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss the doctrine of the Trinity, including:

  • the biblical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity;
  • the logical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity;
  • how the doctrine of the Trinity proves God to be the Greatest Possible Being over and above a Oneness or Islamic conception of God;
  • the concept of persons in the Trinity and perichoresis;
  • Specific issues raised by Oneness Pentecostals or modalists, including:
    • Isaiah 9:6
    • John 10:30
    • John 12:45
    • John 14:9; and
  • the charge made by modalists and Islam of tritheism.

External Links:

Music – I Believe by Charles Johnson and the Revivers from I Believe (1995) – available from Amazon

Episode 32 – Abdu Murray (part 1) – A former Muslim talks about the doctrine of the Trinity

In this episode of Off The Shelf, Rod talks to Abdu Murray, North American Director with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries and the author of two books, including his latest, Grand Central Question: Answering the Critical Concerns of the Major Worldviews.

For most of his life, Abdu was a proud Muslim who studied the Qur’an and Islam. After a nine-year investigation into the historical, philosophical, and scientific underpinnings of the major world religions and views, Abdu discovered that the historic Christian faith can answer the questions of the mind and the longings of the heart.

Abdu has spoken to diverse international audiences and has participated in debates and dialogues across the globe. He has appeared as a guest on numerous radio and television programs all over the world.

Abdu holds a BA in Psychology from the University of Michigan and earned his Juris Doctor from the University of Michigan Law School. As an attorney, Abdu was named several times in Best Lawyers in America and Michigan Super Lawyer. Abdu is the Scholar in Residence of Christian Thought and Apologetics at the Josh McDowell Institute of Oklahoma Wesleyan University.

In this episode, Rod and Abdu discuss:

  • Abdu’s journey from Islam to Christ;
  • The mission of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries; and
  • Is the doctrine of the Trinity inconsistent with the unity of God and the Shema of Deut 6:4 which states “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.”

External Links:

Music – Doxology by Kelly Joe Phelps from Roll Away the Stone (1997) – available from iTunes

Episode 31 – Sylvia Perkins (part 3) – Why I left the message

This is part 3 of our interview with Sylvia Perkins.  Sylvia attended Branham Tabernacle as a child.  She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children.

She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death.  She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained.  She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess.

Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing and why Sylvia ultimately had to leave the message.  We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

External links:

Music – Stand up Stand up for Jesus – from Hymned Again by Bart Millard – Available from Google Play Music

Episode 30 – Sylvia Perkins (part 2) – My Years in the Message

This is part 2 of our interview with Sylvia Perkins.  Sylvia attended Branham Tabernacle as a child.  She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children.

She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death.  She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained.  She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess.

Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing.  We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

External links:

Music – I Must Tell The Truth – from I Believe by Charles Johnson and the Revivers – Available from Amazon

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Episode 29 – Sylvia Perkins (part 1) – Growing up in Branham Tabernacle

Sylvia Perkins attended Branham Tabernacle as a child.  She was in a myriad of William Branham’s services and even watched TV with Joseph Branham, the youngest of the Branham children.

She was at the funeral of William Branham and attended Lee Vayle’s church for 18 years following the William Branham’s death.  She was at the opening of the opening of the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle after it was struck by a car and saw what it contained.  She even had an interview with William Branham and he told her she was a prophetess.

Join Bryan and Rod as they discuss the many astounding things that Sylvia had the opportunity of seeing.  We know you will be as surprised as we were at the many revelations and insights into the life and ministry of William Branham.

External links:

Music – Amazing Grace (My Chains Are Gone) – from How Great Is Our God: The Essential Collection by Chris Tomlin – Available on iTunes

Episode 28 – Were some Christians required to believe Satanic doctrine to be saved?

Did you you know that William Branham taught that some Christians were required to believe Satanic doctrine in order to be saved?   This podcast outlines William Branham’s teaching on the subject with direct quotes from his sermons.

This number 10 (and the last) in our summer series of podcasts that we have entitled “Summer Shorts”.   They are only 5-10 minutes long… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – A Mighty Fortress Is Our God  by Chris Rice (written by Martin Luther)   – from Peace Like A River: The Hymns Project – available from Amazon

Episode 27 – William Branham’s visit to the graves of Buddha, Confucius and Muhhamad

William Branham stated on several occasions that he had visited the graves of Muhammad, Buddha and Confucius.  But did he?  We looked at the issue to determine whether William Branham actually visited these famous graves.

I think you will be surprised at what we found… well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts.

This podcast is number 9 in our summer series of podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They are only 5-10 minutes long… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – Truth  by Jamestown Revival  – from Utah – available from iTunes

Episode 26 – Did William Branham travel around the world seven times?

William Branham stated on numerous occasions that he had traveled around the world seven times.  We had a question from a listener asking if we had ever checked whether this was the case.  So we did some research to determine whether William Branham actually went around the world seven times.

I think you will be surprised at what we found… well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts.

This podcast is number 8 in our summer series of podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They are only 5-10 minutes long… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – I’ve been everywhere  by Hank Snow  – from The Essential Hank Snow – available from iTunes

Episode 25 – The prophet and the eagle

William Branham stated many times that the Bible compared God’s prophets to eagles. However, he never provided one scriptural example of where this was the case.  So we thought we would check out whether what he said was actually based in the Bible.

I think you will be surprised at what we found… well, maybe not if you’ve been listening to our podcasts.

This podcast is part 7 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 5-10 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – If I had the wings of an eagle  by Ziggy Marley (feat. Elizabeth Mitchell) – from Family Time  – available from iTunes

Episode 24 – The significance of a seven-lettered name

William Branham stated that there was significance in names name ending in H-A-M.  It was also significant that Billy Graham’s name was six letters, the number of a man, but Branham was 7 letters, which was perfection.   Really?  

William Branham also stated that his ministry and Billy Graham’s were the only worldwide ministries of anyone with a name ending in H-A-M.  But he obviously did not know about Frank Boreham.

This podcast is part 6 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 5-10 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – I Was Wrong (Acoustic)  by Arizona  – available from iTunes

Episode 23 – To Message Followers: God commands you to answer the questions of skeptics!

In this podcast, Bryan & Rod provide scriptures which specifically require message believers to provide answers to the questions that researchers into the message have been publicly asking for the past 5 years.

This podcast is part 5 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 5-10 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – Questions  by Gentleman & Ky-Mani Marley, from the album – Conversations  – available from iTunes

Episode 22 – Did William Branham have any real prophecies??

We have been unable to find a single occurrence where we have a clear prophecy recorded on tape that was later clearly fulfilled.

This is a test for anyone that is a follower of the message of William Branham. Did William Branham make any REAL “before the fact” prophecies in any of his tapes?

THIS IS THE CRITICAL QUESTIONCan you provide us with an unambiguous prophecy made by William Branham that was recorded publicly before the fact (i.e. we can verify on a tape) and that was later fulfilled in a clear manner?  Surely, somewhere between 1946 and 1965, there is at least one clear prophecy that was made and fulfilled.

We will publish any such prophecy and its fulfillment on our website. Surely somewhere on a tape between 1947 and 1965, there is a prophecy that he recorded before the event that was later clearly fulfilled. However, to date, no one has brought us such a prophecy and we have been unable to find a single one.

This podcast is part 4 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 4-5 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant links to this podcast

Music – I’ve Searched for Gold  by Delirious?, from the album – The Cutting Edge Years – 20th Anniversary Edition  – available from iTunes

Episode 21 – Jesus + Branham = ?

What do you get when you add William Branham to Jesus?  Is it the Gospel that Paul preached?  Or is it something different?

William Branham stated that “the Word in the days of the apostles does not work in this day.”  Is that what Paul preached?

This podcast is part 3 in our summer series of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 4-5 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant Links to this podcast

Music – Nobody Else Like You  by Andrae Crouch, from the album – Mercy  – available from iTunes

Episode 20 – Two Ding Dongs and a Microphone (Summer Shorts)

 

One of our listeners informed us of a recent comment made by the pastor of a message church in Beaufort, South Carolina.  This pastor labeled those who dared challenge William Branham as “ding dongs”.

But was it the case that no one dared challenge William Braham when he was alive?  Find out what actually happened to those who challenged William Branham.

We also include a sneak preview of an upcoming interview with Sylvia Perkins in September.

This podcast is part of our summer series  of short podcasts that we are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 4-5 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

Relevant Links to this podcast

Music – Ding Dong  by The Ding Dongs, from the album – Johnny Otis Presents Eldo Records Vol. 2 Featuring Sugarcane Harris & Little Julian Herrera – available from iTunes

Episode 19 – William Branham in Summer Shorts

For July and August, Bryan and Rod are doing a series of short podcasts that they are calling “Summer Shorts”.   They will only be 4-5 minutes… just enough to get you thinking about something that you might not have thought about before.   Some may be the two of them, while others may just be solo.

William Branham wearing “women’s underneath clothes” in South Africa

William Branham stated that when a man wore shorts, he was wearing a  “woman’s underneath clothes”, but don’t men were shorts for underwear as well?  Could it be that William Branham didn’t wear any underwear?

In this podcast, we look at William Branham’s condemnation of men wearing shorts and his apparent hypocrisy in wearing shorts himself.

Relevant Links to this podcast

Music – Summertime, Summertime  by The Jamies, from the album – Radio Hits of the ’50s – available from iTunes