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Episode 13 – The 1963 Arizona Cloud with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (Part 1)

Jeff Jenkins, pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 35 years, discusses the 1963 Arizona Cloud with host, Rod Bergen.

Some of the questions which they discuss include:

  • The Prophecy of the Cloud – Did William Branham prophesy the cloud in advance of it appearing?
  • The Timing of the Cloud Why did the cloud appear 8 days before William Branham went hunting?
  • The Location of the Cloud – Why did the cloud show up 200 miles away from where William Branham was hunting?
  • Gene Norman’s testimony of the cloud – What did William Branham;s friend, Gene Norman, hear and see?
  • Chad Lamb’s sermon on the cloud – Does the cloud have anything to do with Exodus 19:16?
  • The Cause of the Cloud – Was it the aftermath of a constellation of angels visiting the earth or was there a natural explanation?

Articles referred to on the podcast (click on the links):

Music – I Can See Clearly Now  by Johnny Nash, from the album – The Best of Johnny Nash  – available on iTunes

Episode 12 – An interview with Careyann (Muller) Zivich (part 2)

In this episode, Careyann continues to discuss some of the strange things she experienced in the Returned Ministry sub-cult within the message, along with the following:

  • The strange circumstances that began her journey out of the message;
  • Her experience with finding searchingforvindication.com’s timeline;
  • The implications of Deut 18:20-22
  • Her research into whether the message was true;
  • The reaction of her husband;
  • Whether she really did believe the message while she was in it;
  • The location of William Branham’s picture with the pillar of fire;
  • Why do people stay in the message; and
  • What it means to be a true follower of Jesus.

Careyann’s website – Message Mysteries Unraveled

Song – Choose Life from Big Tent Revival – Greatest Hits by Big Tent Revival (1995) – see album

Episode 11 – An interview with Careyann (Muller) Zivich

Careyann (Muller) Zivich was raised in the message and has seen more than her share of the bizarre things that the message has to offer.  In this episode, Careyann discusses her time in the message and some of the strange things she experienced.  To be fair, not all people in the message experience the things that Careyann did but the strange sub-cults are definitely there to be found.

Some of the issues she discusses include:

  • The failure of message ministers to stand against abortion;
  • Growing up as a girl in the message;
  • The treatment of women in the message;
  • Examples of William Branham’s hypocrisy;
  • Steven Shelley and Ezekiel’s Wheel;
  • Donald Parnell and the Third Testament Millennium sub-cult;
  • The Returned Ministry sub-cult.

Careyann’s website – Message Mysteries Unraveled

Song – Confused by Dean Martin, from The Capital Recordings, Vol 5 (1954) – see album

 

 

 

 

 

Episode 10 – An interview with James Rozak (Part 3)

Join Rod and Bryan in part 3 of their interview with James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy website.

James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew.

But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision with his wife to leave the message of William Branham.

In this last part of the interview, James discusses:

  • How MorningMercy.com started and how it got its name.
  • Fear and phobia in the message.
  • James answers a question that was sent to us by one of our listeners.
  • The creeds and dogmas of the message.
  • Legalism and anti-nomianism.
  • Why people have problems leaving the message.

The question that one of our listeners asked was this:

I noticed that our minister almost every week at least mentions once that women should wear a long skirt, shouldn’t have any makeup or cut their hair in any shape or form. And often he adds: “Well you can hate me for telling you these things, but then you must hate god’s prophet too, cause he told it first.”

It sounds as if he is feeling that there is something wrong with these regulations, so he tries to protect himself by saying: “Hey, it’s not my fault that you have to suffer because of these rules!”

Can you talk about similar experiences you [had]? I would appreciate it if you could do a whole podcast on this topic! What does the Bible tell us according to these things??

Referenced websiteMorningMercy.com is a resource for former followers of William Branham and contains encouragement from the perspective of an ex-message follower.

Music – Mercy by Andraé Crouch from Mercy (1994) – View Album

Questions?

if you have any questions, please click on this link and then post them as a comment at the bottom of the page.  Not sure exactly when we will get to them, but we will try to get them on the podcast in the near future.

Episode 9 – An interview with James Rozak (Part 2)

Rod and Bryan continue their discussion with James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy  website, in part 2 of their interview

James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew.

But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision with his wife to leave the message of William Branham.  Issues discussed on this podcast include:

  • Concerns with the emphasis by ministers on William Branham, rather than Jesus Christ;
  • Reaction of other ministers to James’ focus on helping people that were subject to abuse;
  • The problem with abuse in the message and how ministers deal with it;
  • Cognitive dissonance and the impact on Christians who are still in the message;
  • The testimony of Alfred Pohl, a man who questioned whether people were actually being healed in William Branham’s meetings.

Article referred to in the podcastThe Testimony of Alfred Pohl

Referenced websiteMorningMercy.com is a resource for formers followers of William Branham and contains encouragement from the perspective of an ex-message follower.

Music – Great Is Thy Faithfulness by Jon Gibson, (lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm and music by  William Runyan – 1923) from Soulful Hymns (2002) – View Album

 

Episode 8 – An interview with James Rozak, the author of Morning Mercy

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview James Rozak, the author of the Morning Mercy  website.

James Rozak was the Associate Pastor of Edmonton Word Assembly for 10 years, serving alongside Eugene Braun. James believed and preached the message as best he knew.

But in February of 2013, the unthinkable happened and James made a decision with his wife to leave the message of William Branham.

James was someone that loved the message, and lived it with a passion. He and his wife did not leave because they didn’t want to ‘live the life’. Instead, came to the realization that something was clearly very wrong.

James initially felt that the message was being mishandled by men; in fact, he felt he could be a voice that captured the truth and essence of what the message really was.  But when the realization came that the problems were much more foundational, and the teaching itself was questionable – it became too much for him to ignore.

As a minister, he personally felt a responsibility to try to understand and resolve the questions. The problem was, there were no answers that adequately stood without turning a blind eye or performing mental gymnastics to excuse them.  Consequently, when he felt he could no longer preach in good faith, he resolved to step down from my ministry. But it quickly became clear they could no longer continue attending the church, so with heavy hearts, they walked away.

As most people that leave the message, James experienced great hurt.  The decision to leave the Message resulted in a complete annihilation of his reputation, a loss of everything familar – and left him, his wife and their children without friendships that he had expected were lifelong.

His desire to heal and help found expression through his website, Morning Mercy.  While he still has many questions, he has no doubt that they made the right decision.

Referenced websiteMorningMercy.com is a resource for formers followers of William Branham and contains encouragement from the perspective of an ex-message follower.

Music – Great Is Thy Faithfulness by 2nd Chapter of Acts, (lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm and music by  William Runyan-1923) from Hymn Collection (2003) – View Album

Episode 7 – An interview with the authors of Searching For Vindication (Part 2)

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview Joe and Anna Barone, the authors of the Searching For Vindication website.

In this the second part of the interview, Joe and Anna Barone discuss:

  • Overcoming the rejection and fear of the criticism of the research they undertook
  • The reasons for their initial anonymity and their eventually making their authorship public
  • The reasons behind their leaving the message:
    • Hope Branham’s obituary
    • The Pentecostal Tabernacle (later renamed as the Branham Tabernacle
    • Hope’s nurse
    • Doctrinal issues
  • Other outcomes of their research
    • Six Second Smith
    • The 1937 Flood and the pulpit at Braham Tabernacle
    • Unpublished research
      • William Branham’s status as a game warden
      • Future research
  • Current response to criticism of their research
  • What it means to be a true follower of Jesus

Referenced website – SearchingForVindication.com

Music – No Longer Slaves by Bethel Music, Jonathan David & Melissa Helser from We Will Not Be Shaken (Live) (2015) – View Album

Episode 6 – An interview with the authors of Searching For Vindication (Part 1)

Join Rod and Bryan as they interview Joe and Anna Barone, the authors of the Searching For Vindication website.

In Part 1 of this 2 part interview, Joe and Anna Barone discuss:

  • Their reaction to:
  • Their motivation for publishing the Searching For Vindication website
  • The reliability of historical archives relating to the Jeffersonville area
  • The depth of research behind the Searching For Vindication website
  • An example of Christian love – Matthew 18:12-14 & Luke 15:3-7
    • Leaving the ninety-nine to go after the one lost sheep
    • The reaction to the Humble Pie article
    • Christian responsibility for those who have gone astray
  • The Barone’s approach to researching the conclusions of Believe The Sign with respect to the municipal bridge vision
    • How many people actually died in the construction of the municipal bridge?
  • Feedback and criticism of their research and their response to the criticism

Referenced websiteSearchingForVindication.com

Music – The Ninety and Nine by Andrew Peterson from Carried Along (1995) – View More by This Artist

Episode 5 – An Interview with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (part 2)

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 34 years.  Pastor Jeff was a committed and fervent follower of William Branham but left the message and his church several years ago.  This is part 2 of Rod Bergen’s interview with Pastor Jeff as they discuss how he came to his monumental decision to leave the message and the church he had pastored for almost three and a half decades, as well as his current thoughts on William Branham and the message.

Music – I Have Decided to Follow Jesus by Bill & Gloria Gaither, from their album – Bill & Gloria Gaither and Their Homecoming Friends, Vol. 1 – available on iTunes

Episode 4 – An interview with Pastor Jeff Jenkins (part 1)

Jeff Jenkins was the pastor of Believers Christian Fellowship (BCF) in Lima, Ohio for almost 34 years.  Pastor Jeff was a committed and fervent follower of William Branham but left the message and his church several years ago.  Rod Bergen interviews Pastor Jeff to discuss his background and how he came to his monumental decision to leave the message and the church he had pastored for almost three and a half decades.

Music – For the Sake of the Call  by Avalon, from their album – Another Time, Another Place: Timeless Christian Classics  – available on iTunes

 

Episode 3 – Getting to know your hosts (part 3)

Rod Bergen interviews co-host Bryan Lynch about his background, how he came into the message and what led him to leave the message after spending almost 20 years following William Branham.

Music – Off The Shelf by The Brothers Bright from A Song Treasury (2012) – View More by This Artist

Episode 2 – Getting to know your hosts (Part 2)

This is the second part of a 3 part series focused on introducing the co-hosts of the Off The Shelf podcast.  In this episode, Bryan Lynch interviews Rod Bergen about how he came into the message; what led him to leave the message after spending almost 40 years following William Branham; and his current perspective on the message and those still following the message.

Music – Off The Shelf by The Brothers Bright from A Song Treasury (2012) – View More by This Artist

Episode 1 – Getting to know your hosts (Part 1)

The first three episodes of the Off The Shelf podcast will be focused on introducing co-hosts Rod Bergen and Bryan Lynch.  Hosts Bryan Lynch and Rod Bergen talk about:

  1. Why are we doing a podcast?
  2. Where did the name “Off The Shelf” come from?

Then, Bryan interviews Rod about how he came into the message and what led him to leave Cloverdale Bibleway and the message after spending almost 40 years following William Branham.  Rod talks about the relationship of faith and doubt, the municipal bridge vision, conversations Rod had with Pearry Green and George Smith, Deuteronomy 18:20-22, fear in the message and his view of the message and those still in the message.

Music – Off The Shelf by The Brothers Bright from A Song Treasury (2012) – View More by This Artist

Referenced website – Power to Change

The Municipal Bridge Vision – click to access the related video and related article