Episode 58 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 2)

Rod continues his conversation with Jay Cox, a follower of William Branham.  In this second part, they discuss whether William Branham made any real prophecies.  Their discussion includes:

Music – Freedom by Josh Garrels from the album Underquiet – available from Josh Garrels website.

10 Replies to “Episode 58 – An interview with message follower C. Jay Cox (Part 2)”

  1. I’m sorry but C. Jay Cox is wrong when he says “world war 2 did not start until we (USA) got involved”. A simple Wikipedia reference will tell you that “It is generally said that the war began on 1 September 1939, the day of the invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the subsequent declarations of war by France and the UK.” USA did not get involved on this day unless I am missing something.

    Now WMB initially mentioned that Roosevelt will CAUSE the WHOLE world to go to war. But eventually said Adolf Hitler did “…an Austrian name adolf Hitler…”. To me it sounds like a shift in the claim there.

    Now C. jay also claims that it sounds to him like WMB is saying Roosevelt will DRAG us to war. That is not what it sounds like. WMB is clear from the quote that Roosevelt will CAUSE the WHOLE world (not just the US) to go to war. That is not just dragging the US to war, it sounds like CAUSING the war…. very different things.

    But since it is an on going series I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt hoping he redeemed himself by some clarifications.

    1. Well what do you consider a “World War?” Because if you want to go simply based on the commonly excepted date then sure, it was 1939, but when Hitler invaded Poland, the war was hardly global. At best, it was a large regional conflict at that point. Japan, the USA and the Soviet Union weren’t involved until 1941. In what way is a fight between bordering countries, who’s combined land area is not even half of that of the United States, a “World War”?

    2. C. Jay,
      That’s like saying John the Baptists wasn’t a prophet until he started crying in the wilderness or Jesus wasn’t Messiah until He started ministering. You have to agree that the WHOLE conflict (from START to finish) is called WORLD WAR. The world did not suddenly wake up to guns blazing and bombs falling, it had to start, reach the height and end. And to your point, the US came on board at the height of the war. Apparently they tried so much to stay out of it until pearl harbour, and the rest is history.

      1. Okay then, in that case 1939 is still wrong. WWII started in 1937 because that’s when the Japanese began their conquests. The year 1939 is only used due to our disdain of Adolf Hitler

        Also, John wasn’t a prophet until he prophecied. All due respect, but I feel like that’s beyond obvious.

      2. Well, for one John WASN’T a prophet until he prophecied so I really don’t see your point there. All due respect, but I feel like that’s rather obvious. You’re not a football player until you play football.

        But for two, that still doesn’t work. Japan started it’s conquests in 1937, so if we need to put the start date as “the date in which conflicts that became part of WWII started” then it’s July 7th, 1937, not 1939. The year 1939 is only used due to our severe disdain for Adolf Hitler. And further, the US is not the only country that joined in 1941. Japan and the USSR were not officially involved (according to the history books) until 1941 as well, and Italy wasn’t involved until 1940. So, in 1939, you have Germany vs. Britain and France. And Poland. 2 of 3 the Allies and 2 of the 3 Axis are not involved. Again, hardly a “world war”

        1. C.Jay

          Jeremiah 1:5 KJV
          “[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

          I gave John and/or Jesus as an example as I’d hoped you’d see my point which is prophets are born for their purpose. They don’t suddenly BECOME prophets at some point in their life – I thought that was so obvious too – your footballer example is incomparable to the ways of the Lord. So no, John did not “become” a prophet when he prophesied. He was “ordained” that way before he was born [Luke 1] – even WMB will tell you that. Otherwise please detail facts where John was not a prophet until he prophesied [where’s scripture for that?]. Again this was used to illustrate the point that events must be considered holistically and not segments they consist.

          Now Japan might have started their conquest in ‘37 as you put it but the US still did not join the war until sometime AFTER, at which point the conflict had escalated. Sounds to me like the US actually JOINED the war and not LEAD world to war. In any case consider answering the following:

          – What is your definition of “world war”
          – Show us historical facts that says world war 2 started when US joined
          – Between Roosevelt and Hitler who started/cause war?

          Meanwhile here is what WMB said:

          INITIALLY:
          34 “The President which now is, President Franklin D. Roosevelt,” now remember, this is twenty-eight years ago, “will cause the whole world to go to war. And the new dictator of Italy, Mussolini, shall make his first invasion towards Ethiopia. And he will take Ethiopia, but that will be his last. He shall come to his end.”
          [60-1113 – “Condemnation By Representation”]

          THEN :
          “The next vision foretold that an Austrian by the name of Adolph Hitler would rise up as dictator over Germany, and that he would draw the world into war. It showed the Siegfried line and how our troops would have a terrible time to overcome it. Then it showed that Hitler would come to a mysterious end.”
          [Church Age Book 09 – laodicean – “9 – The Laodicean Church Age”]

  2. Has OffTheShelf been put „on the shelf“ itself now? No part 3… No new episode… No information for the listeners on what‘s going on…? Sad

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